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Karl Fisch: Question about student accounts (via an educator account). Can they publicly comment as well, or can only the group see their comments?

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joycevalenza: Hi Room!

AliciaB: Good morning! :)

Karl Fisch: Good morning, everyone.

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anciana: good morning

Jepstein: Yee Haw! Now that we are awake, lets rock this thing!

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LSU jo: Diigo!!!

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peggy: Good Morning everyone - I'm excited

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LSU jo: any reason to not use my laptop? My Diigo toolbar is already installed there...

cpaige: g'morning:-)

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Bud: Hello Everyone

Karl Fisch: @LSU jo - I'm using my laptop - I think that's the way to go.

fourth: hello

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Vicki Davis: Hello everyone -

DMM: Good Morning

Vicki Davis: @LSU jo - go ahead and use your laptop.

CherylM: Good Morning everyone!!

Vicki Davis: Feel free to take notes here, this will be archived and posted with the presentation.

CherylM: Hi Vicky--I'm from Georgia too!! Around the Atlanta area!! Gwinnett!!

Vicki Davis: Check the conference program for a link to this presentation.

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language teacher: Any high school teachers use back channels in school? Do they get through the filter?

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omfodah: just joined

cnansen: I am an avid delicious user. At EdubloggerCon on Saturday Maggie showed me why I want to move to Diigo. That's why I am here, a new convert.

Karl Fisch: @language teacher - we've used some forms of back channel, but not chatzy (yet)

alicebarr: @language teacher We use them for some activitiies in social studies

sblohm: Good morning - this has been a great conference!

Kat: Morning! Looking forward to this session.

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language teacher: thanks

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NHunter: What was the feature she spoke of for schools where you can't install a toolbar?

Karl Fisch: @nhunter I didn't hear what she said, but I'm guessing diigolet http://www.diigo.com/tools/diigolet

Jepstein: @nhunter: There is an "add on" that is a teacher module that appears on your dashboard when you are signed up.

Vicki Davis: digolet

Jepstein: The teacher module allows you to add groups of students that will see "your" bookmarks without them needing to use an e-mail to sign up

NHunter: @Karl Fisch @ Jepstein @Vicki Davis Thank you

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Karl Fisch: Is there still the restriction that you have to have 2 Diigo friends in order to make public comments? This has been an issue when we train.

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Vicki Davis: @Karl - that is a good question - I'll ask Maggie. I guess that could keep from having spammers.

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Karl Fisch: @Vicki - Yes, I'm sure that's why.

Vicki Davis: I use the diigo firefox plug in.

Vicki Davis: That is my favorite.

dale: do we have access to this presentation somewhere? is there a link to the pwerpoint?

Karl Fisch: Have had issues where even though we've gotten them 2 friends, they still can't publicly comment. Perhaps a delay in place?

Jay Swan: without the toolbar is all of this functionality absent?

lfaraone-assistant: @dale, it's in the notes you got when you arrived

Vicki Davis: Diigo lets you have "profileless" students added - so you don't have to .

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Vicki Davis: @Jay - I know that you have access to a lot of it - I use the firefox plug in without the toolbar.

Vicki Davis: My students use this for their term papers.

Vicki Davis: They come up with one tag for their paper.

Karl Fisch: Vicki - Can you drop a link for the firefox plugin?

Jay Swan: @vicki but if students are at a school terminal without any of these, they will miss out?

Vicki Davis: Because there were some people who tagged things on Google publicly and it was getting annoying.

Vicki Davis: @Jay - I use something called firefox add on manager and all of my students subscribe to my collection.

Vicki Davis: Let me get a link to that.

Jay Swan: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2792

dale: i'm sorry, I don't see a link

dale: for the presentation

parima: In my experience, toolbars slow down the computer, what is the performance impact of diigo?

anciana: Do everyone's comments go on the same sticky for the same highlighted material or is each person's separate.

Karl Fisch: Question about student accounts (via an educator account). Can they publicly comment as well, or can only the group see their comments?

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Vicki Davis: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collection/coolcatteacher

Vicki Davis: @anciana - you can put comments on thier sticky or put another one.

Vicki Davis: @parima - I've never noticed a degredation and am very picky, but every computer is different.

cathy.wolinsky@gmail.com: I've never noticed a time lag with the Diigo toolbar.

Jepstein: @parima: I have not had any problems with diigo on any computer in my school; desktop, laptop or mini

Vicki Davis: http://diigoeducation.pbworks.com/

Luke Faraone: @parima, diigo has been very light-weight in my use of it, but if it causes problems for you, you can report bugs to them or just use the bookmarklet.

Vicki Davis: Links for this - http://diigoeducation.pbworks.com/

Vicki Davis: @Karl - if they are set up in the back end as a private - they are literally separate from others.

Vicki Davis: But you have to send it to the group.

lsu jo: sticky notes and highlights are helpful when I give a presentation

liz: what is the red star for?

Vicki Davis: I love diigo lists you'll see it here in a moment.

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parima: How do I install diigolet?

Karl Fisch: Good, that's what I wanted. I wanted to be able to mass upload student accounts, but still have them be full diigo users.

dale: will the backchat transcript be available later?

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parima: I'm already in diigo, and do not want to load the toolbar

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Karl Fisch: @dale Yes, vicki will post the chat.

WTnecc: hello all

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dale: thanks

liz: what is the red asterisk for?

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NHunter: @dale, you can also save the chat at the end using the button on the left, second one down.

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dale: great tip!

Jay Swan: @parima click on your user name > tools > Diigolet

dale: chatzy is new to me

Kat: Do you have an online tutorial on using Diigo that we can share with our students, explaining how it works?

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omfodah: how can learn more about diigo?

Vicki Davis: Yes, I will post the chat on the wiki - the backchat is one of the most useful things I use in my sessions.

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Vicki Davis: http://diigoeducation.pbworks.com/

rlutsky: does this backchat go in reverse order?

velma: Love that you can export delicious into diigo.

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Vicki Davis: @velma - it is so nice.

Luke Faraone: @rlutsky, yes, by default.

Luke Faraone: @rlutsky, you can change it by clicking on "my preferences" and going to "advanced".

Vicki Davis: The backchat is oldest first - like a chat - I can change the order if we wish, but am used to chat

Vicki Davis: Lucy Gray hits the top number of groups on diigo.

alicebarr: @velma and you can post your Diigo bookmarks to delicious too

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Vicki Davis: Anne Bubnic is just so amazing -

Luke Faraone: *"preferences (optional)"

velma: I want to meet you personally Vicki because I am Velma Davis and I get the "Oh, I know you" and they mistake me for YOU!! I am not famous and you are!! :)

alicebarr: I like to use a combination of both tools

david: how does one create a group to begin with?

Vicki Davis: Her CTAP group was just removed in California and I want her to be hired by someone amazing! She is incredible.

Vicki Davis: The nice thing about an obscure tag is you don't have anyone else using it!

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Jay Swan: @david My Groups > Create New Group

Vicki Davis: http://groups.diigo.com/groups/Ad4dcss is for this group

david: sorry...rookie! Where's "My Groups"?

Vicki Davis: If you're looking at the toolbar then, you can go to Diigo --> My groups

Jepstein: under the dropdown called "community" on your diigo page

Vicki Davis: If you don't have any groups yet, you can go to the one above and join.

david: beautiful! thanks!

Vicki Davis: http://groups.diigo.com/groups/educators

Vicki Davis: @david - this is the beauty of a backchannel

Vicki Davis: Won't teach a workshop without one - becuase you can get questions answered.

joycevalenza: Can someone help me open the dictionary?

cpaige: i also like this chatzy channel & may use THIS w/ my students! especially if we need to "hold classes" when school is cancelled:-)

Vicki Davis: http://groups.diigo.com/groups/cell-phones-in-education

Vicki Davis: @cpaige -just pay the $9 to take the ads off

Jay Swan: is that ac4dess added automatically?

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cpaige: @vicki - I'll let my admin know that it's a nominal fee for no ads! thanx!

parima: How do I see the slides being shown

Vicki Davis: Discovery educators network group - http://groups.diigo.com/groups/discovery-educator-network

Vicki Davis: @Jay - you have to click on ad4dcss

parima: On my terminal?

Luke Faraone: @cpaige, good luck with that. I doubt you'd be able to get many people online when school is out.

Vicki Davis: But the cool thing is that everything tagged ad4dcss is posted to our blog automatically

Luke Faraone: @Vicki, I don't think that people can find the presentation URL in the pamphlet, I can't either.

Vicki Davis: Education in Second Life - http://groups.diigo.com/groups/education-in-second-life

Jay Swan: @vicki, that is using the "tagroll" or "add to blog?"

Vicki Davis: @Luke - I dropped in the link to the wiki - here it is - the link will be in the program tomorrow - http://diigoeducation.pbworks.com/

Vicki Davis: I'm sorry @Luke - I've not had good internet here at the conference and haven't been able to get things updated.

Vicki Davis: But the wiki is here - http://diigoeducation.pbworks.com/

cpaige: @Luke - we're actually seeking alternatives - especially in nyc w/ the swine flu threat:-)

Vicki Davis: @Jay - no it is using the autopost feature in settings and we'll show it.

Vicki Davis: Many of my slides and links are here - http://slides.diigo.com/list/coolcatteacher/research2 - this plays my diigo list that is here - http://www.diigo.com/list/coolcatteacher/research2

cpaige: i missed the response regarding whether this chat "transcript" would be available to us?

parima: Yes, I saw the wiki, that has a link for the presentation.. But when I click on the link I can not see it. Thanks for the later chat line about your slides and links

Karl Fisch: @cpaige yes - will be posted to the wiki

cpaige: & the wiki is located where?

parima: How do I include pointer to my diigo links on my website?

Vicki Davis: Up above - the link is http://diigoeducation.pbworks.com/ for the wiki

Jay Swan: http://diigoeducation.pbworks.com/

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Vicki Davis: @parima - just embed them - we will get to that

parima: ok, thanks

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parima: Ok

parima: Thanks

cpaige: @ vicki & @jay thanx!

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Vicki Davis: @cpaige the transcript and all handouts are going to be at http://diigoeducation.pbworks.com/

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Vicki Davis: Here is a list of some tools I shared at the web 2 smackdown - http://www.diigo.com/list/coolcatteacher/web2smackdown - the cool thing about lists is that you can play it like a slideshow and embed like a slideshare

parima: would chat xscript also be there? Then I do not have to copy these urls and save in my diigo a/c :-)

parima: Great!

Vicki Davis: @parima - you can also click Save room and then save the web page if you want it immediately

Vicki Davis: Just right click on the URL and say "Open in new tab" and then you can bookmark.

Vicki Davis: Just right click on the link and say bookmark this link to diigo

parima: Great! Thanks

Vicki Davis: You don't have to open a URL to bookmark it. Just right click in the backchannel on the link and bookmark it from there.

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peggy: At the end can you tell us the steps again for saving the backchannel

dale: can you tell me why you prefer diigo to delicious? whenever I try to get people on to diigo they say they don't need it because they are on delicious. Talking points?

NHunter: How can you save bookmarks to diigo from the link if you are on a Mac?

velma: could you provide us with the steps to mirror your delicious account to diigo? I went to the 'hammer' icon and went through the icons but need where to click to merge the two.

dale: updates your slides where? what slides are you referring to?

velma: if the link is updated by diigo and it 'goes away' if the link no longer is valid, what if you want the URL to back it up?? Does it go away from your list?

anciana: What slides?

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cnansen: Would be nice if Diigo tracked "link rot" and removed or somehow marked dead links. If thousands of educators bookmarked the same site, and the link went dead, it would save the thousands of educators individually checking and removing it.

anciana: What is being changed into slides?

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lsu jo: where to you find "webslides"? Vickie lost me

fourth: i'm lost

NHunter: Found it. Hold control and click.

dale: we are lost about the slides

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dale: lots of chatter back here wondering what she's doing

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fourth: good question??? lost??

cnansen: from your list - there is a button to the right that creats a webslide

velma: @cnansen- Vicki said that diigo does update the links and tracks "link rot"!! :)

cnansen: You have to have a list created first

Luke Faraone: @cnansen, that's a good idea. they could probably intergrete http://archive.org/, which keeps a record of all the pages on the internet

Jay Swan: http://slides.diigo.com/

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Luke Faraone: @velma, go to "My Dashboard>My Diigo Tools>Import"

Luke Faraone: (you can link it to a variety of your accounts that way, it probably should read "sync" rather than "import"

cnansen: @velma On Saturday Maggie told me they did not track "link rot" - need to double check

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Luke Faraone: @cnansen, http://www.frumpgazette.com/2009/06/01/help-link-rot-ate-my-homework/ . Diigo also keeps an archival copy of its own when you bookmark.

peggy: When you create a list, you will see the webslides icon to click on for the slide show

cnansen: What is Anne's Twitter name?

liz: it looks like you can have tags with quote marks if they have more than one word OR an underline between the words

parima: Would really like to know how to embed it in website and blog

velma: Thanks @Luke Farone. :)

Karl Fisch: Pretty sure it's @abubnic

liz: how do you save Vicki's Research 2.0 list?

Rita: what is your twitter name

velma: Thanks for clarifying, @cnansen.

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NHunter: @cnansen I think you can find it on their blog http://coolcatteacher.blogspot.com/

liz: how do you save Vicki's Research 2.0 list?

Jay Swan: i see that there are "friends", but how can you search for people?

ocbeach: how o I save the links to my account

Jay Swan: do you need their email?

Karl Fisch: @liz Well, you can diigo the URL for her research tags. Or you can add the individual links one by one.

Luke Faraone: @parima, you mean http://slides.diigo.com/ ?

Luke Faraone: @velma, you're welcome. (two "a"s in "Faraone", but w/e :)

liz: thank you

Luke Faraone: @Jay Swan, I think so. It should also search through your email contacts for people who already use diigo.

cnansen: how many links does it show? 10 most recent?

lsu jo: wow this could be an al day workshop--too much to absorb in 1 hour!

Karl Fisch: @cnansen - drop down, you can choose the number

dale: Yes, whole day!!

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Jay Swan: with the educator account, what if our district does not use .edu (we use .gov) and my account is already set up as something else (our .gov accounts bounce everything)?

peggy: That's a wonderful idea to create google form for creating accounts - I love it!

Luke Faraone: @Jay Swan, you should email the diigo people explaining your situation.

Karl Fisch: Still a little confused about student accounts created this way. Are they full-fledged accounts? I want the students to be able to be "public" but still be able to mass create them

Karl Fisch: (mass create them through the csv upload)

Jay Swan: @Luke, I think that is my only hope

Jay Swan: Scheduled posts? That is so cool!!!

Vicki Davis: @jay - that is my secret.

runfro: can you post to a ning blog

Vicki Davis: @Karl - I would test some.

Vicki Davis: @runfro - I think so.

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Vicki Davis: They can handle a lot of information, they look very smart.

Vicki Davis: OK, so save the chat -- click save/print

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Karl Fisch: When is version 4 going to be released? Major changes?

Jay Swan: what is the email to send diggo people an email for an educator account?

Vicki Davis: @Karl - My students are public and I did it through csv - there are settings when you do it.

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Karl Fisch: @vicki thanks

Vicki Davis: @Jay I think you go to www.diigo.com/educators/

joycevalenza: Thank you! Great workshop

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peggy: how do you save the backchat?

Luke Faraone: I'm the guy in the red shirt, by the way.

Luke Faraone: @peggy, go to "save/print"

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cpaige: thanx! this was great!

bunny: thanks need more work on this

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